Let me put it this way.

[MCG 0]

I come back after a brief holiday only to find everyone building up tensions with me. Sorry but the 'end of the world' doesn't count as a reason to not repair relationships, Jay. No-one bothers to explain themselves, the actions of fellow group members, morally right or wrong, are considered correct just due to experience. Funny thing, considering that I explained in great detail every action of mine, yet it seems as if I'm speaking like a child to many of you, who prefer to have their characters resort to violence. Somehow, it doesn't seem to tick to most that I had Grant point the gun at the prisoner looking guy for good reasons despite me pointing out that A) he broke into Renee's apartment, B) he's in prisoner garb despite 9 months of the apocalypse, C) he's some newcomer that noone else has met and D) Grant was thrown down and he was standing in plain sight, away from the rest, so friendly fire wasn't an issue unless Grant's a real shit shot. Despite that, most of the group chose to side with him, even though by your logic, Grant had more experience than him. Saying that the 'entire group' does the same thing Grant does doesn't mean nor justify that everyone has to be aggressive. All these problems are apparently restricted to IC but nothing is stopping any of the characters from coming clean and talking it out. It's as if shooting/injuring/killing a guy is the best solution, just because it's more fun or whatever to the characters and players.

You're not getting my things, not until you sort your shit out. Until then, or if you choose to stick with your views then it's never, I'm keeping my things and bid adieu. Tough shit.

[Fireice 0]

[ejflorkey 0]

[Zerghunter 10]

I'm sorry you're not happy with how things went down. This has happened over the last few weeks from my Character and yours disliking each other (As well as many others in the group). I personally though do not see what the issue is. As far as I can tell you're upset by the way the characters acted throughout the last few weeks. The issues you're having however are all things that have happened in character. These things escalated pretty quickly through the fights yes. these fights were all IC. I played Jay as he is, a hot headed guy who is stubborn when it comes to a argument. I'm sorry you don't like the way he was played but this is how he always has been. Now the actions taken between the two could of gone down differently sure, but Jay doesn't go about trying to mend friendships with people who accused him of being a cold blooded killer.

None of these points change what happened, Jay is just as much to blame for the sour relationship as Grant is. So I don't see how anything you've said changes anything. There is no more regular morals. It's 9 months into the end of the world Jay did what he though, was best for the group because having someone like Grant around seemed dangerous for everyone. Grant argued with everyone, didn't listen when people asked him to leave, broke into peoples houses (Maybe unknowingly) And already showed he wasn't scared to threaten people with his weapons without proper reason given first. Jay took the action he felt he needed to, to deal with someone he deemed as unstable.

At this time I have banned you for leaving to avoid RP and the consequences of it. We've already gathered your stuff from the database. So if you wish to rejoin please made a ban appeal.

[DankestMeme 0]

I uh... I feel as if all of this went down rather badly. I cannot say, as I never really hung out much with the group, but when I have, I feel as if Grant was treated unfairly, OOCly, rather. I wish I could have been there to help, but Fillertson is currently hundreds of feet underground, digging himself out of a vent of ADVENTURE.

[Zerghunter 10]

I uh... I feel as if all of this went down rather badly. I cannot say, as I never really hung out much with the group, but when I have, I feel as if Grant was treated unfairly, OOCly, rather. I wish I could have been there to help, but Fillertson is currently hundreds of feet underground, digging himself out of a vent of ADVENTURE.

 

The encounters had nothing to do with OOC stuff though. Fillerton missed half of what happened between Grant and the group. I really enjoyed his RPing ability and I have nothing against him out of character, I do everything in my power to never bring IC feuds into OOC. If you have any examples of unfair treatment in OOC please bring them up, if there's legitimet concerns we will look into them and if it's something I did I'd like to work on my own abilities if something did happen. But from my perspective, none of this was OOC everything happened in character and built up over time.

[Emptybag 12]

My two cents:

I know I wasn't there during the ordeal due to sending Fillerton & Co hundreds of feet underground in ADVENTURE.

But I can confirm that is how Jay acts. If he feels someone in the group is threatened (not even himself), he tries to end it quickly. This is why, you may have noticed, he holds his weapon at all times. Pretty bad stuff went down IC for him that made him that way.

As far as Grant goes, I'm only aware of what happened in the apartment, because I played the prisonerman. And I fully actually thought I was gonna be shot no less than three times, so the outcome to you is just as surprising to me. As for whatever else happened, I wasn't there due to doing event texts for the folks underground. Perhaps if the situation could be explained with more clarity, I could weigh in on it then. I don't feel right doing it now because I don't have a clue what happened.

MCG/Grant, your roleplay was really well done and I enjoyed it, but if you disconnect to avoid problems IC that is another issue. You could have just as easily made a post during the ordeal or captured the attention of any of the other admins. That being said, if the situation is explained somewheres and we can talk it through and you're willing to jump back into it IC, I'm personally willing to alleviate the ban -- but you can't run from IC problems like that. If I was there or knew what was going on maybe I would have a different opinion, but right now, I have genuinely no idea what was happening :/

[DankestMeme 0]

I uh... I feel as if all of this went down rather badly. I cannot say, as I never really hung out much with the group, but when I have, I feel as if Grant was treated unfairly, OOCly, rather. I wish I could have been there to help, but Fillertson is currently hundreds of feet underground, digging himself out of a vent of ADVENTURE.

 

The encounters had nothing to do with OOC stuff though. Fillerton missed half of what happened between Grant and the group. I really enjoyed his RPing ability and I have nothing against him out of character, I do everything in my power to never bring IC feuds into OOC. If you have any examples of unfair treatment in OOC please bring them up, if there's legitimet concerns we will look into them and if it's something I did I'd like to work on my own abilities if something did happen. But from my perspective, none of this was OOC everything happened in character and built up over time.

 

When I get home, I'll talk to you privately about it.

[MooMoo. 0]

I'm not really sure how I should act in this situation. I can tell you the actions of our characters are not something that ties into our Out of Character personalities, as we're playing a character. For instance, Dot has calmed down and is just stressed out about the whole ordeal, not bothering to get into it anymore. Grant wants to talk things out in character, but he's handling it in such a way that it comes off as bitching to other characters, which will make them dislike him that much more. Things have not really cooled down, from my view on it, and of course people are going to be irritated. But again, none of this is OOC to IC - at least I'd pray to god it isn't. I can at least say that it isn't on my part. And as far as 'resorting to violence', the group in the beginning of all this madness, months and months ago in character used to take everything with a calm, civil demeanor. That led to several people getting killed, a shootout in the middle of town, and the loss of other lives - we don't really care for 'Civil' anymore. Society is broken down, and experiences add to how things are handled. For instance, when Dot chewed Grant out over the gun situation, and hit him with her shield, she'd of never done that before. It took seeing so many people die to people that acted in the same way he did in that situation, that drove her to act that way.

The server is new, but the story line has existed for almost a years worth of RP, hours a day.

[Fireice 0]

I personally would have liked your character; Grant for being the way he was. If you did not take things OOCly from the very beginning. Grant would still have been killed by the way he has been acting, but I would be more happy about you as a role player in general. But no.

[MCG 0]

I personally would have liked your character; Grant for being the way he was. If you did not take things OOCly from the very beginning. Grant would still have been killed by the way he has been acting, but I would be more happy about you as a role player in general. But no.

 

Excuse me? I still can't understand Heide's reasoning for the death threats and the aggressive behavior. Heide introduced Grant to the group, they helped each other out every now and then with no form of antagonizing except for one occasion where Ethan and Grant argued. As I said earlier, last thing I did for the rest, including Heide, before the holiday was feed them. We cooperated even then despite the 'IC' argument. Came back, saw Heide's profile stating that Grant was ungrateful and now it's all edgy 'Heide never liked you'. If that's what you're gonna say for your character, why haven't there been signs of a change in behavior? You treated Grant like anyone else before the whole argument. Otherwise, Heide shouldn't have brought me to the group, let me help him cook(twice, mind you), and generally talk without so much as a scoff or rolling of the eyes until the map change rolled around or the argument with Ethan was done. When I was talking to you and Jay's player about the whole 'IC to OOC' subject, he explained himself but you stayed quiet, not stating your motivations for anything Heide's done to me since I got back.

Don't act any different, you're just as suspicious of it here.

[Fireice 0]

I personally would have liked your character; Grant for being the way he was. If you did not take things OOCly from the very beginning. Grant would still have been killed by the way he has been acting, but I would be more happy about you as a role player in general. But no.

 

Excuse me? I still can't understand Heide's reasoning for the death threats and the aggressive behavior. Heide introduced Grant to the group, they helped each other out every now and then with no form of antagonizing except for one occasion where Ethan and Grant argued. As I said earlier, last thing I did for the rest, including Heide, before the holiday was feed them. We cooperated even then despite the 'IC' argument. Came back, saw Heide's profile stating that Grant was ungrateful and now it's all edgy 'Heide never liked you'. If that's what you're gonna say for your character, why haven't there been signs of a change in behavior? You treated Grant like anyone else before the whole argument. Otherwise, Heide shouldn't have brought me to the group, let me help him cook(twice, mind you), and generally talk without so much as a scoff or rolling of the eyes until the map change rolled around or the argument with Ethan was done. When I was talking to you and Jay's player about the whole 'IC to OOC' subject, he explained himself but you stayed quiet, not stating your motivations for anything Heide's done to me since I got back.

Don't act any different, you're just as suspicious of it here.

 

You are complaining about things that have happened in character. If we are going to talk about the behavior of a simpleton. Like Heide is. His actions were justified by the sheer annoyance on grant's part. He complained. A lot. Argued over the tiniest detail, and beats a dead horse like a motherfucker. Heide liked grant, then it quickly devolved into pure disdain. Heide left his patience for bullshit back home. A man like Heide would find a whiny little cry baby like grant was; useless to the group, and would dispose of in the form of fist through teeth, and boot firmly wedged in the southern orifice. So enough with referencing heide as being a brute. Everyone knows he'd rather find an excuse to use violence to solve his problems, rather than talk it out. It's how Heide has developed as a character.

But back to the main topic on hand. You go out of your way to break the flow of rp, and bitch about everything big, and small in OOC. But instead of trying to amend, or compromise to anything you hang onto the most nit picky examples you could find.

Honestly it's exhausting.

[MCG 0]

Everyone knows he'd rather find an excuse to use violence to solve his problems, rather than talk it out. It's how Heide has developed as a character.

But back to the main topic on hand. You go out of your way to break the flow of rp, and bitch about everything big, and small in OOC. But instead of trying to amend, or compromise to anything you hang onto the most nit picky examples you could find.

Honestly it's exhausting.

 

Please, you're no saint. It's clear that Heide's problems with Grant aren't restricted to purely IC.

http://imgur.com/a/ybdWi

Besides, you still haven't addressed the sudden change of Heide's behavior/manners/whatever you'd like to call it. If he really is a simpleton as you say, he shouldn't have been able to hide his emotions for as long as he did.

[Emptybag 12]

http://imgur.com/a/ybdWi

 

That's a good point- I'm mostly just reading but callouts and personal attacks aren't warranted on the forums.

[Fireice 0]

Heh.

Edited February 1, 2017 by Guest

[Fireice 0]

"Please, you're no saint. It's clear that Heide's problems with Grant aren't restricted to purely IC.

http://imgur.com/a/ybdWi

Besides, you still haven't addressed the sudden change of Heide's behavior/manners/whatever you'd like to call it. If he really is a simpleton as you say, he shouldn't have been able to hide his emotions for as long as he did."

At first. Perhaps I wanted to post those, and it certainly gave me a smile wanting to. Then I decided I didn't want to be too mean, but I wanted to post them anyways separately, because I thought they were funny. This is the garbage day board after all. They are completely unrelated to this thread.

Also you do not know how heide is. His temper has a very short fuse. Again after the first couple times grant just bitched, and complained. He saw grant as dead weight. Self entitled dead weight. That was all the justification he needed to be sour against grant. Doesn't matter grant fed everyone. He still acted like everyone owed him something.

[Emptybag 12]

*Locked because of pettiness and unwillingness to have a civil conversation.